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by Nick Penfold
Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:25 pm
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: C2 Structure for 2018 Season
Replies: 60
Views: 17557

Re: C2 Structure for 2018 Season

You have to be ranked to use the online entry system at all, so scratch crews are excluded from online advance entry by default.
by Nick Penfold
Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:18 pm
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: Coping with Numbers in Div 1
Replies: 47
Views: 11099

Re: Coping with Numbers in Div 1

Published for Lou at Llandysul Paddlers: Our October slalom is one of the last div 1 races of the season and therefore it is always super busy and there is always a waiting list. As you know we ALWAYS try and make sure that everyone gets a race and last year we even flirted with the realms of dayli...
by Nick Penfold
Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:57 am
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: Simplifying Vets
Replies: 44
Views: 10946

Re: Simplifying Vets

Taking a step back, it's probably worth asking why people turn Vet rather than racing as Masters in the mainline divisions. They ought to speak for themselves, but I think it's because: * There's a Vets camaraderie on the start line * There is no risk of demotion, so they can take a relaxed approach...
by Nick Penfold
Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:17 am
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: Coping with Numbers in Div 1
Replies: 47
Views: 11099

Re: Coping with Numbers in Div 1

My first race was on Bala Mill there were 111 K1 men on the start list and the previous day I raced in a Div 2 at the Graveyard with 130 K1 men so why all of a sudden have we got a problem? How many K1Ws, C1Ms and C1Ws were there at your Bala Mill race, Mick? At HPP last week we had 85 K1Ms, 40 K1W...
by Nick Penfold
Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:28 pm
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: Coping with Numbers in Div 1
Replies: 47
Views: 11099

Re: Coping with Numbers in Div 1

Broadly, Dee's numbers suggest that early season races cope, and a problem develops as the season goes on. Which makes sense, partly because Div 1 numbers typically grow by about 20% over the year (some promoted to Prem, but about 3 times as many promoted from Div 2) each event should have an entry ...
by Nick Penfold
Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:06 pm
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: Coping with Numbers in Div 1
Replies: 47
Views: 11099

Coping with Numbers in Div 1

Quite a few Div 1 races have been oversubscribed. It's debateable how big a problem this is: not that many "waiting list" applicants haven't got a race. But if it is a problem, help me with ideas about managing it. We could 1 Get Div 1 numbers down. How? Demote more: Demote from below a higher cut-o...
by Nick Penfold
Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:12 pm
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: Simplifying Vets
Replies: 44
Views: 10946

Re: Simplifying Vets

how would Vet. ranking points be calculated in such circumstances? By factoring and comparing with K1M (as now), but I was trying to stick to the simple concept. My only concern is... to race at a P/1, you have to have been in that division at some point, which does make sense. Especially given the...
by Nick Penfold
Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:33 pm
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: Simplifying Vets
Replies: 44
Views: 10946

Re: Simplifying Vets

Tweaking the suggestion above:
* Points are calculated by comparison with the equivalent divisional event (C1M with C1M, etc) if quorate. At a Div 2/3, the comparison is with Div 2.
by Nick Penfold
Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:02 am
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: Simplifying Vets
Replies: 44
Views: 10946

Simplifying Vets

With reference to Dee's thread, but taking it seriously, how about simplifying Vets like this: * All Vets are in one division (compare with Steve's proposal for C2) * Registered Vets can enter a competition at any level (at their discretion!) * Points are calculated by the inquorate comparison with ...
by Nick Penfold
Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:29 am
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: C2 Structure for 2018 Season
Replies: 60
Views: 17557

Re: C2 Structure for 2018 Season

I'm getting pretty fed up with the implication (Canadian, Steve) that I think ease of admin is more important than paddler satisfaction. Read my input again: I don't. But it is fair to point out that keeping track of C2s is a lot of work, and we need to know that the paddlers actually want that work...
by Nick Penfold
Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:01 pm
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: C2 Structure for 2018 Season
Replies: 60
Views: 17557

Re: C2 Structure for 2018 Season

Yes, bib application is where we check BC membership. It's also how we provide judges with something (a bib) they can identify the crew with, and timing teams with a number ID to track them.
by Nick Penfold
Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:55 am
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: C2 Structure for 2018 Season
Replies: 60
Views: 17557

Re: C2 Structure for 2018 Season

Nick, I think you're asking to have your cake and eat it. Part of the problem with C2 is having "the system" do anything at all. Pairs who have bib numbers in the Yearbook are OK - if they use their proper bib number, which a lot don't. New pairs have no bib number unless they apply, and we can't ge...
by Nick Penfold
Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:39 pm
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: C2 Structure for 2018 Season
Replies: 60
Views: 17557

Re: C2 Structure for 2018 Season

Good, Steve, but please keep it simple.
by Nick Penfold
Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:11 am
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: C2 Structure for 2018 Season
Replies: 60
Views: 17557

Re: C2 Structure for 2018 Season

So, to put this in a nutshell, Steve: C2 Div 2/3 races would be open to all comers, and would get places and points calculated by comparison with other classes. But rankings would only be calculated for pairs who applied for bibs - although you could perhaps race first and apply for the bib afterwar...
by Nick Penfold
Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:23 am
Forum: Rants and Raves
Topic: C2 Structure for 2018 Season
Replies: 60
Views: 17557

Re: C2 Structure for 2018 Season

Please give thought to the admin side. C2 Prem/1 is a serious racing division, and in any case it's small and easily managed. In Div 2/3 there are at most a dozen pairs who paddle together for more than a single weekend. The rest of the division - in most years around 130 boats - is made up of scrat...