History of Slalom Boats - can anyone help add to this list...

andya · Post by **andya** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:31 am

This started as a question over on UKRGB ...

As a returner to the sport I just love the EddyFlower site. Its a great history of tupperware down the ages.
Is there anything similar for Slalom and other competition boats? All I've found is this

Over time the list over there seems to have grown into something that has the potential to be useful. Hence I thought I'd enlarge it to its natural audience ...

So if you can fill in any blanks, or correct some of the many errors, then please do post up your info. Info from 90's in particular is sparse.

I'll keep adding it to the list both on here and UKRGB

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KAYAKS - Weight range (in Kg) - In production in 2009 = Bold

Arrowcraft:
- 19?? = Flyte = Fury

Avoncraft:
- 1975 = Stiletto

Barron:
- 197? = Falchion /XL

Caiman: http://www.caiman.cz/slalom_en.htm
- 200? = Premier 358, 362, 377 (55-83) = Magnum 90 / 369 (82-85)
- 2007 = Torero 350 (<72) = Ranger 350 (70-82) = Bomber 355 (>82)
- 2009 = Salsa 350 (<70) = Salsa-Rambo 350 (<80) = Salsita (60-62) = Profi 355 (70-82)

Concept Designs:
- 198? = Ziggy, Top, Fury
- 1987 = Edge

CS: http://www.cscanoe.com
- 200? = Ferrazzi = Ferrazzi XL = Profile 380 = Profile XL
- 200? = Redox (S=60, M=70, L=80) = Chemical = Chemical PD = B-Split

Dagger Composites
- ?? ?? = Predator = Fraction = Kickback
- 1997 = Predator II

Dewent:
- 79 to 83? = various Shuttles,
- 1983? = Starmaker,
- 1984 = Blitz,

Double Dutch: http://www.doubledutch.eu/
- 1985 = Pro am,
- 1986 = Pro am extra = Master,
- 1988 = Reflex,
- 1990 = Reflex Barcelona,
- 1992 = Quattro,
- 1994 = Paragon,
- 1996 = Atlanta
- 1997 = Profile
- 1998 = Profile 2
- 1999 = Boomerang
- 2004 = Paradox = Scimitar 65/75
- 2006 = Virus (>80) = Precision (65-75)
- 200? = Diva 55 (<55) = Diva 65 (<65) = Chica40 (40-45) = Chica50 (50-55)
- 2009 = Flight (50-60) = Instinct 65 (55-65) = Instinct 75 (65-75) = Instinct 85 (75-95) =

FiBo: (Bridgenorth)
- 1973 = Epee
- 1976 = Epee-XS

Galasport: http://www.galasport.com : http://www.coolbluecanoes.com
- 2005 = Shorty 362 XL (>85)
- 200? = Energy 350 (50-75) = Pilot 350 (25-53) = Dino 293 (<30)
- 2007 = Toro (75-95) = Toreto (50-68) = Toril (28-52)
- 2009 = Toro Evolution (cut 65-100) = Toro Evolution Piko (50-65)

Gaybo:
- 1973 = Isere,
- 1974 = Slipper Combi = Olympia H = OlympV = OlympVI = Junior Olymp
- 1975 = Perfekt
- 197? = Inn = Inn Minor = Meister 80 = Meister Extreme = Meister Supreme = Sanna = Sanna Extreme = = Hydro
- 1979 = Reflector
- 1980 = Dominator = Lettmann Plus
- 1981 = Dominator 81
- 1982 = Dominator 82
- 1984 = Dominator 84

Granta:
- 1972 = Granta

Haze enterprises:
- 19?? = Shadow, Shadow 2000

Impulse:
- 19?? = Diablo

itomco: http://itomco.wordpress.com/
- 2008 = APS K-1 (<80)

Jaycee (JC):
- 19?? = Wildcat, Merano
- 1970 = Cougar,
- 1974 = Lippe Contra
- 1978 = Streaker,

Klepper:
- 1965 = SL5,
- 1967 = SL7, SL7 Lowline;
- 196? = SL8,
- 1973 = Loisach,

Krakatoa:
- 1975 = Atomic
- 1976 = Cosmic Interceptor,
- 1977 = Cosmic SP77,
- 1978 = Cosmic Pro Slalom,
- 1979 = Electra 81 (<70kg), Alpine (>70kg),
- 1981 = Kraken,

Lettmann:
- 1970 = Olympia?; Olymp1,
- 197? = Olymp2? , Olymp3 = 197?, Olymp4 = 197?,
- 1974 = Olymp5, Olymp6,

McNulty:
- 197? = Nova, Supernova,

Nomad: http://www.nomadcanoes.co.uk
- 197? = Ferrara,
- 198? = Axel, Superman, Era,
- 1984 = Pro 84k
- 1985 = Pro Am
- 198? = Pro Am Extra,
- 19?? = Extreme, Razor,
- 199? = Extra = Mystique = Mini Mistique = Extreme sprint
- 199? = Precision = Razor = Touch = Touch2 = Touch3 = Retro = Midas touch
- 200? = Cruz = Energizer, various Energy = various Force = Magik = Mystery (MS, M...)
- 200? = Logik (<65) = Nutron = Pulsar (<95)

North Shore:
- 1987 = Delta
- 19?? = Torque = Excel 92 = Delta excel = Tornado

P&H:
- 1972 = Ausberg
- 1974 = Phazer
- 197? = Hartung = Sting = Phazer II
- 1980 = Xenon,
- 199? = The K1
- 1992 = Barcelona
- 1993 = Quattro
- 1995 = Fusion

Pavel Bone:
- 1969 = Funa
- 19?? = Mini Slalom

Perception:
- 1992 = Reflex = ReflexII
- 1992 = Reflex Barcelona,
- 199? = Reflex Quattro = Reflex Five

Prijon:
- 200? = Becker

Pyranha:
- 1974 = Vedel,
- 1975 = Vedel 65k, Elite,
- 1978 = Equipe SL (sprint Low), SM, SH = Equipe CL, CM (Continental Med), CH = Mini Equipe
- 1979 = Equipe SLK
- 1980 = Premier,
- 1981 = Premier2,
- 1983 = Premier3,
- 1986 = Premier4,
- 1987 = Premier Image,

RK (Karel Rasner)::
- 200? - Grafit

Streamlyte: (Tyne canoes)
- 1965 = KW3,
- 19?? = KW4, KW7, KW7 Lowline,
- 1970 = Scorpion,
- 1973 = Oledo

Stip Yaks:
- 1970 = forell,
- 1975 = sanna,
- 1980 = extreme,

Tim Ward:
- 19?? = Eclipse,

Topcraft:
- 1974 = TK

Trylon:
- 197? = Snipe,
- 198? = Lynx (Cosmic SP77 based)

Vajda: http://www.vajdagroup.com/canoes-kayaks
- 2003 = Challenger,
- 2005 = Tuscan(360),
- 2006 = Nexus(350) = Ultimate351 (S=50-60, M=60-70) = Gyro (S<65,M=65-80, L=>80) = Smolko (45)
- 2007 = Sting (XXS=45-50, XS=50-55, S=55-60, M=60-70) = Coxo7 (M=65-75, L=75-85, XL>85)
- 2008 = Pulse (S=50-60, M=60-70, L=70-80, XL>80),
- 2009 = Ego (M=65-75, L=75-85, XL>85) = Smurf (45)
- 2009 = Kapsl 36 & Kapsl 35 (XXS=40-50, XS=45-55, S=50-60, M=60-70, L=70-80, XL>80),

Valley:
- 197? = Viper = Viper SL

Unknown make??
- Scarab; Treska, Virago, Kick, Slalom'89, Maestro'86, Maestro '88, Mystery

C1

Arrowcraft:
- 19?? = Vortex = Maverick = Viper = Enigma = Enigma 369

Caiman: http://www.caiman.cz/slalom_en.htm
- 200? = Goddan 353 (<82) = Acrobat 365 (<85)
- 2008 = Iceman 353 (>73)

Dagger Composites
- 199? = Maverick
- 1993 = Maverick Plus
- 1996 = Zealot

Double Dutch: http://www.doubledutch.eu/
- 200? = Spectrum (>85)
- 200? = The Judge (65-75)

Galasport: http://www.galasport.com : http://www.coolbluecanoes.com
- 2005 = Ninja Pro (55-85)
- 2006 = Makao (65-80) = Makao Junior (<68) = Loco (66-70,70-80)
- 200? = iMo (70-85)
- 2008 = Yin (<75)
- 2009 = 64 (<78)

Gaybo:
- 1972 = Mistral
- 1978 = Max II
- 1979 = Supermax
- 1980 = Ultramax
- 1981 - Cudamax
- 1983 = Batmax
- 198? = SuperBatmax
- 1987= Extrabat
- 1989 = Fanatic
- 1991 = Stealth
- 1996 = Frantic II

itomco: http://itomco.wordpress.com/
- 2008 = Absolute C1

Nomad: http://www.nomadcanoes.co.uk
- 1987 = Extrabat
- 19?? = Shoot

Pyranna
- 19?? = Elite = Storm

P&H:
- 197? = Hann

RK (Karel Rasner)::
- 2008 - Saru08

Topcraft:
- 1974 = Variant

Vajda: http://www.vajdagroup.com/canoes-kayaks
- 200? = Nereus (M=60-70, L=70-80) = Lizard365 (s=50-60, M=60-70, L=70-80, XL>80)
- 2007 = Martikan07 (M=60-70, L=70-80) = Lizard07 (s=50-60, M=60-70, L=70-80, XL>80)
- 2009 = Supremo (s=50-60, M=60-70, L=70-80, XL=80-85, XXL>85)
- 2009 = Lady Lizard (S=45-55, M=55-65) = LizardJ (S=45-55, M=55-65)

Unknown Make
- 1998 - SuperGlide
- 1980s - Elite
- Devastator

C2

CS: http://www.cscanoe.com
- 200? = Shoot 420

Dagger Composites
- 1995 = Hammerhead
- 1996 = Whupatar

Double Dutch: http://www.doubledutch.eu/
- 200? = Hot Rod (140-170) = Unison (120-150)

Gaybo:
- 1980 = Synchron
- 1982 = Duo

Galasport: http://www.galasport.com : http://www.coolbluecanoes.com
- 2006 = Pro Facto (130-185)
- 2007 = Pro Facto 007 (130-175)
- 2008 = Vocko (100-145)

Nomad: http://www.nomadcanoes.co.uk
- 19?? = ProAm = Shoot2

Pyranna
- 19?? = Elite = Thunder

Topcraft:
- 1974 = Olymp Slalom C2 (end cockpit)

Vajda: http://www.vajdagroup.com/canoes-kayaks
- 200? - Blade 415 (S=100-120, M=120-140, L=140-160, XL=160-180, XXL>180)
- 200? = Wind 415 (S=100-120, M=120-140, L=140-160, XL=160-180, XXL>180) = Magma 410 (M=120-140),
- 2009 = Pheonix (S+100-130, M=130-150) = H (S=100-120, M=120-140, L=140-160, XL=160-180, XXL>180)

Unknown
- 1978 Gemini (close cockpit) = Paramax = Argumax = Torrent, Torrent XL = Deadline = Grokshark = Savage Grokshark = Tomahawk
- 1992 = Patriot
- 1997 = Merlin

andya · Post by **andya** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:16 am

The link above ... doesn't seem to work on Firefox (for me) so hope the owner doesn't mind my copying the text across for convenience:
http://www.whitewaterslalom.org/marketplace/boats.html

Slalom boat designs
This is the (small) beginning of a page which will describe various slalom boat designs and try to place them in some kind of order, so that folks looking to buy boats have some idea which ones might suit their needs. I could realy use some help with this, as I'm only really personally familiar with a few K-1's and not much else. So if you have some of the history of these designs in your head, please share it with me.

Note that most boats come in several sizes; a larger boat usually ends up being called a "Big" or "Plus"; smaller ones are "Micro" or "Tiny".

Kayaks (K-1)
Nomad Extra: Was the workhorse of slalom for a long time. Sharper edges than the Image.
Image: Pyranha design from the mid-80's.
Treska: Prijon design from the 70's.
Sanna: Prijon design from the 70's.
Slalom '89: Prijon design from the late 80's; beavertail stern makes it easy to pivot.
Premier: Prijon design from the early 80's; fast in a straight line, but turns slowly when flat.
Maestro '86: Canadian design? For lightweight paddlers; speed increased by adding wings to the hull. Narrow waterline.
Maestro '88: The Maestro '86 with added volume in the front and sharper stern edges.
Reflex: First in a series of designs from Richard Fox.
Reflex II: Turns a bit slower than a Barcelona, but has seat further forward than the Extra or Image. Reflex Barcelona: The Richard Fox design for the Barcelona Olympics (1992). One of the best all-around designs ever made.
Reflex Quattro: More rocker than the Barcelona; rounder edges, smaller stern.
Hotlanta: Eric Jackson and David Knight design by Dagger Composites.
Reflex Five (aka Fusion): Latest refinement of the Reflex series. Now known as the "Five" because "Fusion" was trademarked by a plastic boat. The "Five.Five" has a bit more volume in it.
Predator: Cockpit-forward design with lots of bow volume; designed for large folks by Scott Shipley and Dagger Composites.
Predator II: 1997 refinement of the first Predator design.
Profile: Kara Ruppel design by Dagger Composites.
Mystery: Ian Wiley (IRE) design, cockpit further forward than Barcelona or Quattro.
Fraction: Small boat, for cadets and juniors, from Dagger Composites.
Kickback: Dagger Composites/Shipley, 1999.
Touch:
Boomerang:

Canoes (C-1)
Max II: Davey Hearn and Jon Lugbill design, 1978.
Supermax: Davey Hearn and Jon Lugbill design, 1979.
Ultramax: Davey Hearn and Jon Lugbill design.
Cudamax: Davey Hearn and Jon Lugbill design, designed in 1981; soft edges, large volume, more leg room compared to other designs.
Batmax: Davey Hearn and Jon Lugbill design.
SuperBatmax: Davey Hearn and Jon Lugbill design.
Extrabat: Davey Hearn and Jon Lugbill design, circa 1987; bat wings and sharp edges.
Fanatic: Davey Hearn and Jon Lugbill design, 1989.
Stealth: Davey Hearn and Jon Lugbill design, more rocker, lower stern, and sharper edges; 1991.
Maverick: Gareth Marriot (GBR) design from Dagger Composites. Lots of volume in the bow, cockpit forward.
Maverick Plus: Corcoran/Bridge, 1993.
Fanatic II: Davey Hearn and Jon Lugbill design, 1996.
Zealot: Dagger Composites design with Adam Clawson and Jon Lugbill, 1996.
SuperGlide: Davey Hearn/Knight design, 1998.
???: Larry Norman (CAN) design.

Tandem Canoes (C-2)
Gemini: One of the first (the first?) designs to place the cockpits close together, rather than out at the ends.
Paramax: Penn State Outing Club (PSOC) design; John Sweet has the mold.
Argumax:
Torrent, Torrent XL: PSOC design by C-2 mixed national champions in the mid-80's; John Sweet has the mold.
Deadline: Based on Czech design; good for larger teams. Large volume bow with really small stern.
Patriot: The design paddled by Joe Jacobi and Scott Strausbaugh in Barcelona in 1992; smaller boat, good for lightweight teams.
Grokshark
Savage Grokshark: Lecky Haller and Jamie McEwan design, cockpits up front, low tail, hard edges.
Tomahawk: Fast and maneuverable design by Fritz and Lecky Haller.
Hammerhead: Dagger Composites/Taylor/Isenburg design, 1995.
Whupatar: Dagger Composites design with Horace Holden and Wayne Dickert, 1996.
Merlin: Letourneau/Gauthier design, 1997.

Any more details on above list, especially manufactures, also gratefully recieved. I'll be trying to merge the two lists tonight ...

Nicky · Post by **Nicky** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:30 am

North Shore , you're missing the Excel 92, the delta, delta excel, tornado

Impulse - Diablo

Nomad - mystique, mini mistique, extreme sprint, Touch, Touch 2, precision, retro, cruz, Energizer, Various Energy and Force boats, Magik, Mystery range (MS, M...)

P&H - sting and fusion

Can't believe that you have missed one of the greatest C1 boats of all time! The Fanatic! Not sure who designed it, but I'm sure that Nomad, P&H and Impulse

andya · Post by **andya** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:38 am

Hey Nicky ... thanks for the info.

I'll add to the "master" list tonight all the days updates. Got any rough years for those models?

I've been out of the sport nearly 25years, so make no apologies for missing stuff.

But I hope if we all share, between us we can come up with an amazing list, that would help anyone else new or returning to this fantastic sport.

Keep the info coming!

canoebabe88 · Post by **canoebabe88** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:36 pm

Double Dutch Scimitar 65/75 - 2004

Spiderman · Post by **Spiderman** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:43 pm

Oh wow, some memories of my bygone boats there! I had a P&H Augsburg in 1973, named after the Olympic venue in 1972 obviously so Im sure you could say the Augsburg slalom kayak was a 1972 model. I was 16 and it was the best £62.50 my parents spent if you ask me!

If anyone is interested in my boat history, here it is:-

In the very early days of Pyranha Mouldings, Graham Macareth delivered to Bedford, on top of his van, two shiny new "Vedels" to my good friend Chris Johnson and myself. I seem to recall that they were the 6th and 7th that he had made

I really do not know exactly the year but it would be around 1975/6. And guess what? It is still hanging up in my Dad's garage!

I think it has some of that new fangled material Diolen in it but I am guessing that it is not completely watertight these days!

Chris Lovelock, he of too many fames to list here but one of his firsts was the creator of Krakatoa Mouldings (coincidentally again with my good friend Chris Johnson), gave me a Cosmic as a sponsored boat as I had acheived a decent placing in the Masterclass, the then 20 paddler version of todays Premier Division. It was a radical super low volume boat compared to all others and he said I would get another sponsor boat if I made the top 10 in the yearbook the next year. True to his word he did NOT sponsor me....I was ranked 11th!! Hmph!

However, in the February of the next season at the National Canoe Exhibition I was paddling in the pool in the yearly Exhibition Slalom which was always strongly contested with a slalom boat as first prize! On the Saturday I was approached by John Critchley of Jaycee Mouldings (and yes, it seemed almost compulsory in those days to include the word "mouldings" in the company name!) who made me an offer. He said "Paddle our new "Streaker" in the pool slalom and we will sponsor you this year". I was pretty desperate for a boat but declined the offer as I felt more familiar with my beaten up Cosmic and was hopeful of winning a new boat. I did'nt. But the good news is that Jaycee decided to give me a boat anyway so YAY me!

I recall the phone conversation. There were no minimum weights then and he asked me what I wanted. I said 14llbs (about 6.3kgs). He had never made such a light boat and his first attempt was no good. He said "I took it out of the mould, rolled it up and threw it away!" lol. He eventually turned up with a cool looking metalic blue, fading to silver at each end, Streaker and I used it that year, 1978. But I could not sustain my performance in this new boat as there were a good few youngsters coming along then too and my time with the quick lads was done. But hey! Guess what? Yes, I still have that Streaker! Its in a more sorry state than the Vedel though

You have to understand that back than, the boats were a bit like Grand Prix cars - trying to find the balance between lightness and strength - and often getting it wrong as many wrapped themselves around rocks. And when I say wrapped around, I mean that literally with both ends of the boat only a metre apart on the downstream side of a rock! That was not at all an uncommon sight and paddlers just hoped that they would not become entrapped by their legs when and if it happened.

Amazingly, when I returned to slalom in 2003 (I think) and re-ranked into Div 1, I used the bandaged up Streaker some 25 years on! Then, Ettiene Stott took pity on me and sold me his 4m Prijon Becker as he was getting into the C2 game. I could not believe how strong the boats had become! No flex at all. That did me well until I went to the 3.5m DD Virus that I paddle now. So there you have my boat history. Sorry I cant state exact dates to assist further with the kayak dates but it helps home in maybe.

Do you want to know about the paddles?......I still have them ALL! lol ....erm....another time/topic maybe lol....

PP

Spiderman · Post by **Spiderman** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:05 pm

Oh! Check this link and then go to the links in there to see the programme for that event containing some boat ads:-

http://www.clevercaptures.com/Canoein....1_sXcNW

There is a Gaybo advert with 7 Lettman and Prijon designs that will assist with the list

There are also boats by Streamlyte (Tyne Canoes), P&H, Cymru canoes, Pyranha, Topcraft and Jaycee.

I am seen in some of the pictures in the photogallery paddling my red Augsburg and David Brown (Bedford not Chester) in his Gaybo boat at that time and the adverts in the programe will date the boats featured. Bob Campbell is in the blue gaybo boat going under Miss Davies's Bridge.

I really must scan and upload the slalom stuff I have here from the 70's as I have it all...and so brilliantly documented by my dear old departed Mum too

I spoke to a young Div 1 lad last weekend and mentioned the name Alan Edge to him. He said, "Who is he?". Hmmm...we need some record of this sports history it seems!

PP

jjayes · Post by **jjayes** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:07 pm

In 1975 Prijon came up with the Perfekt, made in the UK by Gaybo, it was probably the biggest jump forward in slalom boat design ever. It was basically a 3.5 meter boat with very big spikes. Unfortunately people were hurt by it, and I heard that a rescuer was speared and killed by one in a French event (not sure how true). This is what led to ICF imposing end radius rules.

Dagger have also produced a few slalom designs by Scott Shilpley.

A good add on subject would be to work out what boats descended for what. I know of only two designs that have not come directly come from a previous boats.

Another topic would be to find which ones are actually straight. In 2006 I was involved with a boat design project with world class and we scanned a few top designs, it was only when we looked at the profile on the computer we saw how far out of true they were. This will be avoided in the future by the use of CAD design and CNC milling machines and will certainly aid in making faster boats.

Boat design a the moment would seem to be a bit static in terms of improvement, except for the introduction of the 3.5 M. The problem is that it is a very individual thing to assess what a good slalom boat actually is.

I feel a good analogy is that most Porche cars look great, but what makes them fast is what is under the bonnet. It is probably more productive to spend time on developing the engine and also the steering and guidance systems!!!

Spiderman · Post by **Spiderman** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:44 pm

Yes Jim, I remember the introduction of the Perfekt. There was a very fast Chester Paddler who I can only remember by his nickname of "Woody" (might have been Paul Wood?) who saw it and said in his broad accent "Them ends'll go ferra start!". He was right as it did have an outrageous dolphin type, long thin nose! I think your observation is spot on as it was the first 3.5m boat in reality. I never heard of any injury, or worse, but it would not be at all surprising if that was true. I think a better name for it would have been a Lance!

The evolution of boat design is very interesting. As I reported above, I had never seen anything so low as the cosmic when it appeared so that was possibly the first super low volume boat of its type unless anyone can recall another? I recall sitting in it and thinking how flat my legs were. My fighting weight throughout my competitive life was 68Kgs. I may see if I can still get in it one day and see how it paddles!

In regard to C2's, the biggest leap forwards was not in the volume so much as in the position of the paddlers. Does anyone know who first put two men almost in the same cockpit? Brilliant slalom thinking whoever that was.

PP

Spiderman · Post by **Spiderman** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:47 pm

Anyone up for a retro race at an event in whatever 4m they still have kicking around? 210 long Mitchwood or Kober wooden blades too? I think the main reason for them being so long was to be able to reach the surface from the height of the super bouyant kayaks! lol

PP

GreenPeter · Post by **GreenPeter** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:20 pm

How about the Stiletto from Avoncraft 1975 or 6 I think and didn't Chris Lovelock have a hand in the design?.
Granta Boats sponsored the Italian Olympic team in 1972, as they proudly claimed on their brochue.The company folded in the late 70's.
I think the boat was called the Granta.

carboncraft · Post by **carboncraft** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:33 pm

Those were the days I remember having nearly every K1 from Gaybo from the olymp 4 to the perfect then started on the Nomad range from the ProAm only aprox 125.00 each in those days (gettlin old) I still have a few in the garage, just started using cad to design and build my own 3.5 m for the fuller figure?

KI Gaybo,

Meister 80, Meister Extreme, Meister Supreme

C1 Nomad,

Shoot

C2 ProAm, Shoot2 :

Dave Royle · Post by **Dave Royle** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:19 pm

No mention of Arrowcraft boats

K1
Flyte which had three seams I seem to recall.
Fury

C1
Vortex (which was designed by Pyrahana)
Maverick (credited to Dagger earlier)
There was another Marriott boat in this gap here but I can't remember the name.
Viper
Enigma
Enigma 369

Concept had a few C1s as well, I think.

oldschool · Post by **oldschool** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:37 pm

double dutch made the ATLANTA in 1996 followed by the PROFILE in 97 and PROFILE 2 in 98. That was followed by the BOOMERANG in 99.

P & H used to make "the K1"(with power curl) at the start of the 90's(before my time!), followed by the barcelona(92), quattro(93), fusion(95)

I think the order that the Nomads came out in the 90's was Precision, Razor, Touch, Touch2, Touch3, Retro, Midas touch.

oh and didn't the guy from concept make the Virago (or somthig like that) with really square edges? that must have been 2000ish. or was that called a Kick?? or were there two different ones on the same theme?

I retired for the first time around 2000/01 so there my wisdom ends.

If my memory serves me rightly that is :p

Canadian Paddler · Post by **Canadian Paddler** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:34 am

I seem to remember that the center cockpit C2s were introduced by the americans with the Gemini, around 1978.

Graham Macareth created the first UK design, cant remember the name, but do remember the very flat deck, and borrowing one set up the wrong way round, (front right) paddling it at a big Shepperton, and coming round to the first break in with lots of photographers taking pictures, the next time I saw the surface was right by the rowing club! We had done the entire distance from the top wave to almost the other side under water, one big mystery move, I think we were upright but under water for a good proportion of it!

Will have to trawl through the archives and post any other boast I can recall later.