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djberriman
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Prem Rankings

Post by djberriman » Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:35 pm

Just been made aware these should be calculated out of best 3 results.

I've amended the config for prem and re-run the rankings.

Hopefully all is now correct.

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Re: Prem Rankings

Post by paddlerparent » Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:49 pm

When was this decided & when was this communicated please?

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Re: Prem Rankings

Post by Dee » Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:25 pm

As to the "when was this decided" - see committee meeting minutes from 1st September
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Re: Prem Rankings

Post by paddlerparent » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:07 am

Thanks Dee, so it was just made up then & no consultation. about right

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Re: Prem Rankings

Post by humphr » Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:29 pm

From 01/09/21 Meeting
Calculation of prem ranking: there are a maximum of 6 prem races in the current season.
Following discussion and a vote, it was concluded that the best 4 results would be used to
calculate the end of year ranking, using the following formula: 50% of races plus 1 race. This
formula can then be utilised in circumstances where there are less than 8 ranking races in a
season.
50% + 1 seems sensible enough to be fair. This season we have only had four of the six races planned. Having it resting on all four point scores would be quite different to how it normally is. You wouldn't expect an aggregate score of all 10 races in a normal season.

Not a normal season requires something some change at least
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Re: Prem Rankings

Post by JimW » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:47 pm

paddlerparent wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:07 am
Thanks Dee, so it was just made up then & no consultation. about right
At 2020 ACM the committee were essentially given 'emergency powers' to deal with these kind of unusual decisions arising from Covid-19 effects. Both motions are of relevance, although ranking points calculation was not discussed it is an example of why the phrase 'not limited to' was included in 5.1 c.
Note that whilst motion 5.2 failed, it failed on the basis that the majority voted to trust the committee to take the respective action if it looked necessary later in the season, which it did, and they have, which I think justifies the ACM entrusting them in this way?

The motions reproduced from the minutes (which can be found in full under the 'committee' section of the menu):
5 Motions
5.1 Running of competitions, proposed by the committee (75/25)
Colin Woodgate explained the motion as follows:
The 2020 rulebook includes rules that relate to the running of competitions, some of which will cause difficulty and delay in being able to run slaloms in early 2021. In order to reduce these effects this meeting encourages the Slalom Committee to:
a. Preserve and protect rules that relate to the scoring and timing of an individual competitors run.
b. Review rules for the current season, identifying where rules refer to a calendar year, and interpret these as being applicable for the season.
c. For the current season only, in light of the ongoing difficulties facing organising events, work with organisers on a competition by competition basis to agree and publish relaxation of individual rules in order to support the running of competitions. The areas affect may include (but not be limited to) rules relating to:
i. Publishing results at an event, and the timing of this publishing and its effect on protests and protest time.
ii. Minimum timing between a competitor’s runs
iii. The order of events in the weekend, and of competitions during the weekend. This may affect calculation of points against a different event
(e.g. C2 points, inquorate events)
iv. Provision of demonstration runs, to reduce the risks of breaching social distancing, requirements for everyone to be on site at a particular time,
and assist in managing costs for pumped courses.
v. Provision of practice at division 1 competitions
vi. The roles and positions of judges. For example, judges walking with competitors at lower divisions, less cross judging at division 1 / premier
races, alternate judging methods (cameras etc.)
vii. Prize giving, specifically in the light of alternate result publishing and social distancing.

No club asked for this to go to vote and so the motion was accepted nem con.

5.2 Demotion, proposed by the committee
Dee Lindesay explained the motion as follows:
For all ranked paddlers who have completed a minimum of one ranking race in their appropriate division, there will be no end of season demotions in 2021. This would reflect that the year ahead is likely to be impacted by coronavirus and so was designed to encourage good behaviour and practice in paddlers, rather than there being pressure to train, travel and compete; and to reduce anxiety.

There was significant discussion on this with key points:
- A number of clubs felt that it was too early to make such a decision as there was still a lot of uncertainty about how different the year ahead would be.
Once the full impact was known, the committee could use their discretion in terms of demotions and end of season promotions.
- The clubs trusted the committee to manage the situation sensitively throughout the year. Motion 5.1 has been agreed and allows the committee
flexibility to come up with a reasoned way forward.
- Paddlers may be discouraged from racing if they are only able to attend a limited number of races due to covid-19 and so were concerned that they may not achieve the necessary points to remain in their current division if the normal demotion level applied. The question was asked about how many paddlers are aware of possible demotion? This is probably limited amongst younger paddlers.
- An early communication of the position would reduce anxiety about the above point.
- There may be more promotions than usual as the season is spanning two years, given that some paddlers are poised for promotion in the first races of 2021 using results earned in 2020.
- Given that we have lost a full years’ worth of promotion, is it an issue if there are a few more in 2021?
- There does need to be a mechanism for at least capping numbers in prem
- There may be a significant drop off in paddler numbers which would impact on the number of demotions
- There is a need to encourage adherence to COVID 19 restrictions, which is likely to impact on training and ability to race for some of 2021
- BC would be expected to provide a steer if covid-19 continues to impact substantially in 2021.
- Communication of the discussion, and the way forward is key, for example, sympathetic consideration for frozen ranking status where training and racing has been impacted.

There followed a vote on the motion. The motion failed unanimously.

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