Re: Is it time for some outside the box thinking?
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:47 pm
Hexham gone, another Northern div 2 bites the dust…
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Arrowcraft wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 8:14 pmLOL. Some say that he only eats Walnuts and Californian raisins and likes playing with life size lego. But we call him the Stig.
NickNick Penfold wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:27 pmTaking the Llandysul Saturday K1W race and calculating the points for all paddlers as if all were Div 1s has the effect of increasing the points of every paddler but one (the last-placed paddle up).Some will get more points, some fewer. Adding more paddlers to the calculation changes the step size for the points difference between places so at the top end paddlers (host and PU) except 1st will make a gain, and the lower end they will lose. If you only concentrate on the promotion end it is easy to ignore lower end points as not mattering, but to paddlers possibly hovering on the demotion limit they might be important.
Applying the same to the other classes, only a handful of paddlers at the very bottom of the results lists lose points, and most gain. I haven't tried the same exercise with enough other races but it looks as if almost everyone would benefit.
This is not actually correct Jim.JimW wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:09 pmSome will get more points, some fewer. Adding more paddlers to the calculation changes the step size for the points difference between places so at the top end paddlers (host and PU) except 1st will make a gain, and the lower end they will lose. If you only concentrate on the promotion end it is easy to ignore lower end points as not mattering, but to paddlers possibly hovering on the demotion limit they might be important.
This is nothing new and happens every year, those who do one race get demoted despite clearly being 'good enough', one prem paddler got demoted to div 2 because of this a few years back. The way to solve it is to divide points/races and work out an average then multiply by the races that count. This would encourage paddlers to race even if they can only manage one event. Preventing demotion by not racing does the sport and the paddler no good and must be frustrating for those who just get demoted by a few points.Steve Holmes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:09 amI now know of 2 div 1 paddlers that aren’t racing this season because they may get demoted and applying for reranking would secure them in div 1. Can we scrap demotion for the next few years?
Couldn’t agree more. A good motion to put to the AGM.What I would like to see, is GB team paddlers that don't compete at home races, demoted and not qualify for selection.
Making the standard in Prem should be for all paddlers and No wild cards.
We need are top paddlers competing at home for lots of reasons. Most do, but they all should race enough to stay in Prem.
Example:6.8.3 End of season results Ranking positions are calculated using the best five results. In the event of a tie, refer to Rules 2.7 (championship tie break) or 10.18 (ranking tie break). Division 4 athletes are not ranked.
Where an athlete does not have 5 results, their sore is multiplied as below to get the comparison total:
4 results, multiply by 1.1
3 results, multiply by 1.4
2 results multiply by 2.0
3 results multiply by 3.0